Bonus: How do semi-permanent tattoos work?
Hey. I'm Melissa.
Jam:I'm Jam.
Melissa:And I'm a chemist. And I'm not. And welcome to chemistry for your life.
Jam:The podcast helps you understand the chemistry Of your everyday life. Bonus edition of your
Melissa:I have my guns up ready to go.
Jam:This is one of the this is our bonus episode.
Melissa:This is our bonus episode. And guess what? There were so many good questions from our listeners just off The cuff that I didn't even have to post in Instagram stories soliciting them.
Jam:Wow. Interesting.
Melissa:So good job, listeners. Thanks for caring and sending questions. We love it.
Jam:Very cool.
Melissa:So first, I'm gonna share a fun fact that came from Carol, the English coach.
Jam:Okay.
Melissa:She used to have a podcast where she would teach English. I don't know if she does anymore, but it was so soothing that sometimes I would listen to it to fall asleep.
Jam:Nice. I don't I don't remember the I do remember her having videos.
Melissa:Yes. She does, and she uses science sometimes to teach English.
Jam:Right. Right.
Melissa:Yeah. She's a real fun accountant to follow. So she sent us a really cool article from Chemistry World. It's a magazine that is put out by the Royal Society of Chemistry, Sort of the European equivalent of the American Chemical Society or, I guess, the American Chemical Society's the American equivalent of the European one. Who knows?
Jam:Yeah.
Melissa:And, anyway, so she sent us an article by them about a US startup company that made tattoo ink with biodegradable Polymers that break down over time.
Jam:And
Melissa:so the these tattoos fade. So because we already know how tattoos work you remember how tattoos work, Jim?
Jam:The ink, is these large Compounds Mhmm. Something Large molecules. Large molecules. And our Bodies can't break them down.
Melissa:Yep.
Jam:So they but the assistance we have in place that would break them down basically end up Realizing that and they decide to keep them in place Mhmm. Because they're like, unknown entity. We can't break it down, but let's Let's sequester it Yes. Here Yeah. Basically.
Jam:Is that correct?
Melissa:That's correct. And so that's how these same ink these fading tattoos work initially. Okay. But because they're so big, over time, bacteria and other things can break them down because they're biodegradable. K.
Melissa:And so Over time, they eventually get small enough to where our body can take them away and can do away with them, our immune system Okay. So they're semipermanent tattoos.
Jam:Did they give a time frame? Like, how
Melissa:I think a few years.
Jam:Okay. That's kinda cool.
Melissa:And it's fun because it's like they knew the chemistry of tattoos, but I think for religious reasons, they didn't want permanent ones.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:So they used polymer chemistry and the body to solve their problem.
Jam:Think that's awesome.
Melissa:And since we know about how the chemistry of tattoos work, we can understand what they did too.
Jam:Yes. It gets crazy to think that this hadn't already been done in in a way. You know? I know. Because, like, I think there's a lot of people who may have, like You know, I'll get the tattoo.
Jam:I'll get the semipermanent. If I end up loving it still, couple years later, I'll just get it again, but permanent. Or Yeah. Keep doing semi permanent. I mean, who knows?
Jam:You know?
Melissa:I thought about doing that with my wedding ring. I, like, want a tattoo there, but I'm afraid it will make the ring look weird. Uh-huh. Like, because my ring's not is, like, really thin.
Jam:Yeah. Yeah.
Melissa:And so then I'm like, would that be weird? I don't know. So, like, a simony simony.
Jam:Simony.
Melissa:A Semi permanent one would be the perfect solution.
Jam:Yeah. You don't have to fully commit, but you still get the benefits of it not, like, You're not being gone next week.
Melissa:Right.
Jam:That's awesome. Very very smart.
Melissa:Very smart and very cool. Thanks for sharing that, Carol. I love that we understand the chemistry behind tattoos and that We understand how this problem solving process work to get the semi permanent ones.
Jam:Yeah. That's genius.
Melissa:Yeah. So thanks for sharing. That was really fun. I loved reading that.
Jam:This next question we have is from Ebony. Ebony asks, in the fridges at work, we have thermometers for food safety recording, but They're in a glass of water. So would they be accurate with water and air having different specific heat?
Melissa:I love this question. Woah. So, Ebony, this is a really good question. I love that you're looking at the world and thinking about the chemistry that's going on. How delightful.
Melissa:So I think your initial understanding is right. The air and the water would change temperature at different rates. So it might be cooler in the water because it can hold on to the temperature better because it can hold on to the temperature better. But I think What the water does is maybe mimic the temperature of the food itself. So if you imagine, like, a soup that has a high water content, It also probably has a different specific heat than the air around it.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:So sometimes, you know, if you have a cold drink, it's heating up slower than than cold air or something, and so it'll stay cold longer. Right?
Jam:Mhmm. Mhmm.
Melissa:So I'm guessing that what they're trying to do is mimic the food's Temperature.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:And not the the temperature of the air. Let's see. Did the food get to a temperature that's not safe?
Jam:Right. That makes sense. Because, I guess, if you open a fridge for so you have it open for 30 seconds. Mhmm. Potentially, the air And the fridge could undergo a significant temperature change.
Melissa:Especially depending on, like, maybe the air in the door.
Jam:Right. Right. But The a lot of the food may have only changed the slightest bit, and then you close the door again, and it goes back. Yeah. So it it might be more accurate, but it's crazy.
Jam:I didn't think about that. I
Melissa:hadn't thought that either. So if you are really, really worried and you wanted to be super safe, I guess you could go with the air temperature. But I do think that what they're doing, especially for liquids, you know Yeah. Is is not a bad method. It might not be the most accurate, but I feel like it's probably closer than the air temperature.
Jam:Mhmm. Mhmm.
Melissa:What a good question.
Jam:Yeah. Seriously.
Melissa:That was fun. Thanks for bringing that up, Ebony. Ebony's been with us from the very beginning and wrote kind of a sweet message about how, I remember their username on Instagram was funny, so I remember talking to them at the very beginning. But pretty recently, They wrote us a sweet message about how much fun it is to think back about when they first started listening to the podcast years ago and how much has happened since then. So that was really fun.
Jam:That's cool.
Melissa:Shout out, Ebony.
Jam:Yeah. We have the best listeners, I guess. I just I guess the thing is I feel so sorry For all the other podcasts.
Melissa:Yeah. It's really a bummer.
Jam:It is. There's no way.
Melissa:Other listeners of other podcasts.
Jam:Yeah. Me too. I mean, you know, I just feel sorry for them. Like, they don't have the listeners that we have. So Yeah.
Melissa:Yeah. We've, like, actually made friends through this. It's been really fun. Mhmm.
Jam:This next one is from another listener who's actually been with us for quite a while, Abishai. The fun fact slash question. In the latest Bonus episode, you answered the question of why pasta with red sauce stains plastic containers. There is a nice trick to clean that red stain. Put soap, Water and a piece of paper towel, close the lid, and shake it.
Jam:But why would it work better than scrubbing, and what is the role of the paper towel? That's the question.
Melissa:Okay. So Avishai took a shot at answering it, and I think he has a master's degree in something, doesn't he?
Jam:Something. I don't it's one of those things where sometimes I get
Melissa:I think Avishai is also a scientist. Yeah. So Avishai thought off the cuff that this is a solubility issue. So if you increase the amount of solvent, then you can thermodynamically dissolve more of the chromophore. He when he says chromophore, he means the red thing, the pigment.
Jam:Okay.
Melissa:Using the oil to allow for hydrophobic molecules also to dissolve Because you put, the soap kind of has something that attracts oil out. Right. The mixing help increase the amount of meetings between oil, soap, and water. The paper towel is the tricky part. I believe it's principle, absorbing the generated soap Chromophore micelles and pushing the dissolving reaction forward.
Melissa:So, basically, he's saying, if we have A lot of the solvent, which is the water, that we can have more likelihood that it'll interact with the oil and the pigment that are trapped in the Tupperware or bonded to the Tupperware, and that'll pull it out. And then Le Chatelier's principle is if you remove the product, then more product will sort of be made. And I loved the way that he was thinking about the chemical concepts And thinking about what is underlying, just like with Ebony, I was really excited about that. And I really hope our listeners Keep up this habit where they look at the world and they think about questions and then think about the molecules at the base level. That's, like, always my dream.
Melissa:I remember the time Jam figured out the the tires, so I was so excited. So but I'm not sure I fully Grew with his assessment just because I don't know what would be different about the paper towel versus dumping out water. So I see what he's saying, like, oh, if there's If you just let it soak and you have and you shake it up, then that does have more solvent for the stuff to dissolve in and more likely for the molecules to meet the open all that. But is it more than if you were to scrub it? I just don't know.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:You know, if you're to soak it and scrub it and I don't know why something would bond to the paper towel and not just dissolve itself back again in the water. So I'm not I feel like I'm still not 100 sure 100% sure about this hack. Yeah. But I really liked the way he thought about it, and I wanted to put To our listeners or other scientists, if they have thoughts on how this hack might work. I also know I've never used this trick, so I don't even know.
Jam:Yeah. It's interesting. I feel like I would love to see a video or try it myself. Because then, At least if we've improved that it does work, not say that it doesn't, but I just you know, it's one of the things, like, it makes a difference when you see it, And, like, maybe something as obvious when you watch it happen.
Melissa:Or, like, the paper towel turns a color. Right.
Jam:Like, if it turns the reddish color or whatever.
Melissa:Yeah.
Jam:But It seems like just on the surface, I feel like the things I've tried to get, red standing off of some Tupperware, Didn't work, and so and I've scrubbed hard and used a lot of soap and this kind of stuff. So it's just there's a little bit of this doubt I have of any hack Yeah. That might work, but I'd love I'd love for it to be true. And then if that was the case, maybe we could get somewhere about why it works.
Melissa:I've also shifted away from the plastic Tupperware, and I know you mostly have too.
Jam:Yes. Definitely.
Melissa:I pretty much Exclusively use glass things now, glass containers Yeah. Just because of what I learned about plastic
Jam:Right.
Melissa:In that Yeah. In that fateful series that we did about recycling that changed my life forever.
Jam:That faithful series.
Melissa:Yeah. That and the cast iron, I think, or 2, we didn't see coming, but they got us good.
Jam:Oh, yeah.
Melissa:Okay. So Great question, Avishai. I love the thought process, and I loved how you zoomed in on the molecules and thought about it at that level. And I hope more of our listeners keep doing that.
Jam:Yeah. And if Avishai or you or any of our other listeners had actually, like, seen some video of this happening or something like that, we're like I don't know. I'd love to see it. So send it to us or whatever.
Melissa:I'd also love to see it.
Jam:Yeah. Well, I'm I'm not maybe I'll show you. Just send it to me. I'll I'll decide.
Melissa:Jam barely gets on our socials, so He will unless it's on Facebook, he won't be the 1st to see it.
Jam:And I don't even really get on Facebook. It's just that I get notified about that one easier.
Melissa:I can't get on Facebook Because Facebook knows I'm an imposter. Yeah. So I've tried. I've tried to get access to our Facebook, but it's very difficult for me. So Yeah.
Jam:It's the one I'd love to delete. I just can't quite fully delete it for
Melissa:a bunch of reasons. Anyway
Jam:Okay. Alright, Mark Zuckerberg. This next question is from Emerson. Emerson asked why can't Clorox slash household bleach be used To dye hair. Speaking from personal experience, do not try that at home.
Melissa:Oof. Emerson.
Jam:That sounds bad.
Melissa:That made me laugh. Okay. So 1st, I wanna shout out Emerson because they're one of our Patreons, and they asked this question a while ago, and I forgot to Or I didn't I think I didn't get it before we recorded. So they asked it last month, then I didn't see it. So thanks for your patience, Emerson.
Melissa:Here's my attempt at an answer. So bleach is very basic, and bases, like acids, are caustic, which means they can damage, burn, break things down chemically. Mhmm. And so that can be rapid and painful if it's on your body. So, like, Acid burns, bleach burns, that's what those are from.
Melissa:And so what bleach literally does is dissolve your hair Using a chemical reaction, like household bleach.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:You shouldn't have it anywhere near your body, really. And I'll say that basicity is often characterized by having a high concentration of o h minus. That's an ion. So a good way to imagine this is if you have a water molecule. So 2 hydrogens and an oxygen.
Melissa:Mhmm. And if you split those up, and you the hydrogen 1 hydrogen is off by and it didn't get any electrons, so it's looking for electrons. And then on the other side, the oxygen and the other hydrogen are together, and they got all the trans. Mhmm. So they're looking to react with things to give their electrons away, and the hydrogen that has nothing is looking for things to get electrons.
Jam:K.
Melissa:So hydrogens with no electrons around them, that's acids. And so they are they tend to be reactive because they're trying to find the rest of the electrons that they want. Mhmm. And the oxygen and the hydrogen, those are hydroxide ions. They have a lot of electrons to give away, And so those are also pretty reactive.
Melissa:So the basic ones are the o h with extra electrons, and the acidic ones are the, are the ones that are looking for electrons, basically. Mhmm. And both of them can be very reactive, And both of them can do a lot of damage. So that's I think sometimes people think, oh, acids are bad for you. Acids are caustic.
Melissa:Bubba. Bases are the same thing, basically. They're also gonna do all the bad scary stuff. So that's Something actually our listener, Bree, had chimed in on the question on our Patreon and mentioned Uh-huh. That she thought that that's what was going on with the bleach, and that is part of it.
Melissa:As part of it, there is some hydroxide, those OHs that are scouring for all the hydrogens without that they can find or places that they can give their electrons, and that will mess up your hair.
Jam:K.
Melissa:And, actually, sodium hydroxide is the main ingredient in drain cleaner hydroxide. So it's it gets in there and, you know, does a big reaction and tries to mess up the hair. Yeah. But household bleach also contains something else, which has this, like, very classic bleachy smell, is called sodium hypochlorite. Uh-huh.
Melissa:And that's even more confusing because instead of an oxygen and a hydrogen, it's an oxygen and a chlorine.
Jam:Okay.
Melissa:And it's very reactive, and it scavenges even more intensely, and it's called an oxidizing agent. But it does something really similar. It breaks bonds. It's reacting. It's just out there Trying to react with stuff.
Melissa:Yeah. And so both of those things can dissolve your hair. So but the bleach that they use in, salons to or or like that sold as hair bleach is actually Neither hydroxide nor sodium hypochlorite. It's something different, and they just call it bleach because it gets rid of the color. K.
Melissa:So, you know, there's the bleach that we use in our household chemicals, and then there that it gets rid of color for the very reason we talked about a long, long time ago in our how does bleach get rid of color episode Uh-huh. But it also gets rid of a bunch of other bonds. And then there's hair bleach, which is much gentler, but does get rid of the hair color. And so, basically, the gentler hair bleach only breaks down those pigment molecules.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:And it can do a little bit of other damage if you've heard about how bleach can damage your hair, you know, but that's the biggest thing. It's gentler, and it's It's more targeted, I would say.
Jam:Interesting. Man, that is crazy. I mean, I've never tried to bleach my hair, and I didn't know until the The question was asked that you can't just use household bleach. I mean, I probably could have deducted that, like, it's probably not a good idea, and it would be something you'd wanna look into before you tried it. Yeah.
Jam:But I I I wouldn't have thought that it would be that big of a difference.
Melissa:It's a big, big, big difference. And, actually, Don't use bleach on your hair or your skin or and don't mix it with other chemicals because there are some other household Chemicals, like, acidic ones that it can react with really violently, and it can even make chlorine gas, which I believe is the same gas as mustard gas.
Jam:Oh.
Melissa:So you should not mix bleach with other chemicals. Like, it it's very, very dangerous. Bleach is a serious household cleaner. So be really careful. I don't know.
Melissa:Have you ever got bleach on your fingers and your fingers felt slippery?
Jam:You know, I don't know. I have, but I have used bleach A bunch, but I don't not
Melissa:that bad. That's happened to me. Like, if I'm cleaning and I and I, like, put the cap on and I get a little, and it's like, I'm I think that feeling is it dissolving that layer of
Jam:your skin. Weird.
Melissa:Some but somebody told me they thought it was maybe making soap because it's similar to the soap reaction, but I don't know. But either way, this slippery feeling when you have bleach on your fingers is like. So, yes, bleach, you should be very, very careful with it. But also there was a ton of information about hair bleach, and so I'm hoping I can do an episode about Its own episode, so I'm gonna keep some of that close to the chest. Nice.
Melissa:But it was really fun, you know, because Emerson asked on Patreon, and I didn't have a chance to reply, and Brie responded. And then I got back to our Patreon after the Christmas break and saw that that had happened. And so it's just kind of fun to see our community, like, sort of take on a life of its own and people talking to each other about science. So Yeah. That was really fun.
Melissa:So thanks, Emerson and Bree, and, yeah, thanks for letting us see see that little interaction.
Jam:And here's another question for Emerson also. Why don't black and gray tattoos typically show up in tint type photographs?
Melissa:Well, guess what, Emerson? I don't even know what a tint type photograph is, but Jam is a radio television film expert, so I've been putting Jam on the But do you know what a tintype photograph is?
Jam:You know, I know what it is. But on the chemistry side, I've actually one of the questions I had submitted at some point was specifically, that we would talk about film and instant film, that kind of stuff. And so I don't
Melissa:is complex.
Jam:Yeah. And I don't have A ton of depth of knowledge on the chemistry side because I've just needed to know what I've needed to know about it. And I am into film photography and stuff, but I've never done tintype. I've seen them, and I know what you're talking about just in the sense that, like, The way it understands
Melissa:Wait. Wait. Can you tell us what tintype is first?
Jam:Nope. Can't tell you.
Melissa:Can can you give us the vibes or, like, what does it look like or anything?
Jam:I have no idea how to tell you.
Melissa:Okay. Does that have a specific look to it, like film versus Yes. Okay. So should we just all right now collectively go Google tint Type photographs.
Jam:Yeah. They look different. It's like an older school way of doing it. I wanna say it's literally, onto a sheet of metal. Okay.
Jam:Is the
Melissa:Oh, yeah. These, like, old timey looking ones.
Jam:Yeah. Our, we have a friend most of them have a friend named Sean who actually has had a tintype Photo taken of him and his wife. Oh. He's the only person I know.
Melissa:And Vienette who came on the show?
Jam:Yep. Wow. I'm not sure if he knows either. He never listens to our show, and so he's not allowed to know about Yeah.
Melissa:You really should have phrased that. Our listener, Vianette, and her has been shot.
Jam:Yeah. Who we who we kinda know. They have had a tinted photograph taken of them. And it was crazy is if you know somebody real life, and you see it to that photo of them. There's an odd, very different way that it understands and treats light.
Jam:Interesting. That is hard to put your finger on. And so what's tough is if you see it in that photo, you might kinda pick up on that a little bit, but you might not if you don't know what that person looks like otherwise.
Melissa:Yeah.
Jam:So Sean and Vianette are ones that I actually have the ability to know that with and not anybody else.
Melissa:Like Okay.
Jam:But I just don't know how to describe it. It's like with understanding and the light, the way it's affecting the way the image shows up is Just different.
Melissa:Okay. Well, sorry, Emerson. I thought that Yeah. Maybe jam could shed light, that then I could shed back, but I have a rule that I don't Do research for these episodes because it's too much. It's too much.
Melissa:You know, I used to say I'm a grad student, but now I'm not. But I have another job. So Sorry. That's not a satisfying answer, but I do wanna shout out Emerson because Emerson works with the other doctor, Kolini, and she's also a Patreon supporter. So thanks for your questions, Emerson.
Melissa:And, the fact that I have no idea what tintype is made me laugh, and I really enjoyed, thinking about those things. So thanks, and, Tell my sister I said hi.
Jam:This next question is from another one of our patrons, Tim. What kind of fluid is Ferrofluid? Okay. Never even heard of this. I don't think.
Melissa:You've never heard of Ferrofluid?
Jam:I don't think so. If I have
Melissa:I bet you have. So So, again, we can all Google together, but ferrofluid is like black liquid that's magnetic.
Jam:Oh, yeah. Yes. Okay.
Melissa:You've seen it. And it does, like, weird spiky things like this?
Jam:Yes. Yes. Totally. Yep.
Melissa:So and I've seen ferrofluid in kids' museums and on YouTube, and I don't even know where all just like I feel like I've just seen it around. It's kind of a cool gimmicky thing.
Jam:Yeah. It's crazy.
Melissa:So Ferrofluid is what's called a colloidal fluid, and we've had other colloidal fluids that we talked about on the show. Can you think of 1?
Jam:Colloidal fluids. We've talked about the show. Can I think of 1? Do you
Melissa:want me to describe what a colloidal fluid is?
Jam:Yes.
Melissa:It is when you have really small particles suspended, evenly distributed in a carrier fluid.
Jam:Tattoo ink.
Melissa:Okay. That's a good one. I think it that could just be a suspension.
Jam:I didn't wait. It didn't just isn't that what you said? Suspension?
Melissa:It's I think it has to be a specific size maybe. Let me look. Let me see if I can find it.
Jam:Okay. What other fluids? I'll just start listing fluids. I mean, what is that? Pea,
Melissa:poop, what?
Jam:I'm just kidding.
Melissa:Okay. Okay. I found the difference between a suspension and a colloid. Okay. Okay.
Melissa:Particles in the suspension can be separated by filtration unlike those in a colloid. So I don't know If ink is a colloidal knot.
Jam:Okay.
Melissa:I'm gonna guess not because they're big pieces.
Jam:Right. And this seems like maybe you could filter it out.
Melissa:It does seem like that, but I I don't know for sure.
Jam:K.
Melissa:But but there's a different one.
Jam:Okay.
Melissa:Do you want me to tell you?
Jam:Can is there a hint you can give me? Is it larger than a loaf of bread?
Melissa:It's whatever size you make it.
Jam:I was just trying to go to that guy because Standard 20 questions thing?
Melissa:I don't think I can give you a hint. I can't think of a good one. I think Oobleck should Be a colloid because the particles are too small to filter out. But maybe if you had a really fine filter, you could.
Jam:Interesting. Oobleck. Right?
Melissa:Right? Cornstarch is such such small particles. It's so fine.
Jam:Right. Right.
Melissa:But maybe if you had a really good filter.
Jam:Yeah. That's tough.
Melissa:So, anyway, all that, ferrofluid is is a A colloid or a really, really small suspension of particles that are evenly distributed in a carrier fluid, and they happen to be, iron and magnetic. So ferrous is another way of saying iron. So that's it. And so it it looks like a liquid that magnetic, but I think it's actually just tiny, tiny magnetic pieces.
Jam:Oh, interesting.
Melissa:So there you go. And oh
Jam:f e is a symbol for
Melissa:iron? Yes.
Jam:There we go. Ferris. Ferris. Yep. Got it.
Jam:Makes sense. Mhmm.
Melissa:And there's, like, a joke where people are like, What do you call a wheel made out of iron? The Ferris wheel? Anyway And on that same topic, Tim also sent us a message. On our last q and r, we talked about honey mustard and if it was non Newtonian also.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:And so Tim followed up. He sent a video from Sugarology, which is a YouTube channel. She is a scientist of some kind, I think, and she has a baking channel. And she posted a video where she called ketchup a thixotropic liquid, which is, you know, essentially sheer thinning.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:So there's another tidbit you can add to your kinds of fluids mindset. Thixotropic. Thixotropic. Is it,
Jam:like, a category within nonutonics? Because I know we talked about ketchup that in the episode.
Melissa:I don't know. She just said it, and I thought, is that just another sheer thinning Yeah. Word? Right. Anyway, so I thought that was fun.
Melissa:And if you're interested in science and baking, sugarology could be a good channel for you. Okay. So this was a lot of fun questions. And like I said, I didn't have to post an Instagram story. So, we didn't get any of the more random type questions we get.
Melissa:And the person who always asks those is Renee, the other doctor Collini.
Jam:Yes.
Melissa:So I reached out to her, and she said, oh, Don't worry. I'm in a room full of facilitators. I can get you a good icebreaker question. So the one she said is actually from our mutual friend, Ali. And I love the Question, and I'm so excited.
Melissa:Okay? Ally wants to know what is your least favorite shape of pasta?
Jam:Wow. What a specific question.
Melissa:Dude, I have strong feelings about this.
Jam:You do?
Melissa:I do. I then have strong feelings about what my favorite shapes of pasta are.
Jam:Interesting. I wonder if I'm realizing right now that I don't care.
Melissa:I hate pasta a lot.
Jam:I love pasta. I absolutely love pasta, and I love having a strong opinions about things, and so do you. Wilson and I
Melissa:are similar in
Jam:that that there are things that we get a lot of enjoyment about having a strong opinion about that you one could argue are not that important. Yeah.
Melissa:But we would never we would argue.
Jam:Let me hear your answer and why, and then maybe something about it will make me have an opinion too.
Melissa:Okay. Well, part of this has come up recently. I've been traveling a lot for work, so I've been eating in restaurants a lot again lately. Mhmm. And when I was in Louisiana, I had this really good seafood Alfredo type pasta.
Melissa:Uh-huh. And it was on penne pasta. Yes. And the distribution of sauce and meat and stuff was so good. And then we came home, and we went out, to eat for my brother in law's birthday.
Melissa:And we went to, another similar seafood type restaurant, and I ordered this pasta. And instead of, it had these wide, flat, Slippery noodles.
Jam:Okay.
Melissa:And I hated them.
Jam:Okay. Is that that is fettuccine. Correct? That is
Melissa:No. It wasn't fettuccine. It was wider than that. Well Let me Look up the name of it.
Jam:Wider, flatter. It was all 1 big, flat noodle.
Melissa:It was probably, like, an inch wide Okay. And very thin.
Jam:Interesting.
Melissa:So fettuccine is a little bit thicker than this one was, and it's, like, closer together. And I'm okay with fettuccine. Yeah. You know? It's like, You know, it's I'm fine with it, but I'm not, like, in love with it.
Melissa:Yeah. But I was annoyed at this. And then as I started thinking about this question, Really, it's like, yes. There are pastas that I want Yeah. And pastas that I don't.
Melissa:So, like, the mac and cheese, it has, like, the fun shapes. Like, oh, shapes like a cartoon character. Hate
Jam:it. Interesting.
Melissa:The texture of it's all wrong and weird.
Jam:Uh-huh.
Melissa:I just no. Thank you.
Jam:Interesting.
Melissa:So, yeah, I have strong feelings. Like, some things I'm like, no. I just why would you put sauce on that?
Jam:Right. That's so strange. All of
Melissa:our Italian listeners are, like, miserable right now. They're like, you just don't even know what pasta is.
Jam:Yeah. I I think if I had this had that 4th self type of opinion, I would just say that, like, Standard whole spaghetti noodles are, like, at least favorite because it's least interesting to me. They're the most normal. Like, I would probably prefer angel hair compared to standard spaghetti. You know?
Melissa:Okay.
Jam:But I also love penne. The distinctions kinda lost him a little bit, but,
Melissa:uses I think is, like, badder and and bigger around.
Jam:I think I think some places it is, but some places use the word zed, and they're actually using penne.
Melissa:Yes.
Jam:Love ravioli. You know, I could take or
Melissa:leave ravioli.
Jam:I could take or leave manicotti, probably.
Melissa:Tortellini is good.
Jam:Tortellini is Manicotti
Melissa:is I mean, it depends what you the manicotti with.
Jam:One of the reasons why I may leave manicotti and not keep it is just that there's been a few times I've had it where Part of the shell is a little hard because they bake it as well. Mhmm. And it gets a little tough, and that's not my favorite. Not like sal dente, but, like, it's, like, in the baking process, it's hardening.
Melissa:It gets crisped up again.
Jam:Yep. And I don't love that biting into a Baked crisped up piece of pasta once
Melissa:Yeah.
Jam:When the rest of it's not that way, that's unpleasant. But, you know, that could just be the the way it's made. Not not all manicotti is probably like that. But
Melissa:The pasta that I didn't like is called pappardelle. Papardelli. P a p p a r d e l l e. And I feel like maybe with a thicker sauce or a different setting
Jam:Mhmm.
Melissa:It probably has its place to shine, But it was a big old disappointment after the Louisiana seafood pasta.
Jam:That's a bummer. So Interesting question.
Melissa:Yeah. I it's also interesting because it's like, yeah, I realized that I do have strong feelings about this, and apparently, you don't.
Jam:Yeah. I just prefer pasta to not pasta.
Melissa:Yes.
Jam:These are things where I'm like, Even if you even if I did out of a a least favorite that was more strongly worded Mhmm. If you still gave me the option of, do you want this or nothing? Erno pasta? I'd be like, oh, no. I'll take it.
Melissa:Yeah. I I still got the pasta.
Jam:Yeah. But
Melissa:But There's other things where
Jam:the opinion is strong enough where I'm like, oh, I would not eat it. You know?
Melissa:I felt very disappointed about I will say I was very disappointed about that pasta because it had so much potential. Yeah. But so, apparently, I I do think penne is my favorite. I also Really love tortellini stuffed with cheese.
Jam:Totally. Same. Yep.
Melissa:You know, cheese Love it. Cheese ravioli. I mean, those are like but then it's like, is it because of the shape of the pasta with cheese in it?
Jam:Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question. I I like tortellini a lot, and from the local, Italian place that that it's kinda near my neighborhood.
Melissa:Yeah.
Jam:I love their cheese tortellini with their pink sauce.
Melissa:Oh, yeah.
Jam:Amazing.
Melissa:I love
Jam:Whole thin
Melissa:cheese ravioli is the best cheese ravioli I've ever had. There's something about the cheese in it or the mixture that's so fluffy and good. Mhmm. Even just with regular old red sauce, it's just like the best the raviolis themselves. So those are really good icebreaker question, Ali.
Melissa:We appreciate you.
Jam:Yeah. Very much so.
Melissa:And tell us y'all's favorite shape of pasta. And, for our Italian listeners, we're sorry in advance for all the ways that we as People from the States butcher pasta.
Jam:Yes. We are very sorry. We, we would I have had I guess, have you been to Italy?
Melissa:No. I haven't.
Jam:Okay. I have had What I believe is a very good version of the true Italian way, and I love it.
Melissa:Yeah. If you want to fly short to Italy. Yeah. We would love to. We'd love to experience Italian pasta.
Melissa:And on that note, thanks in advance for flying us to Italy. Yes. And thanks for all these questions. Those are these are awesome. We love having such good listeners.
Melissa:It's sending such fun questions.
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