Melissa: 00:09

Hey. I'm Melissa.

Jam: 00:10

And I'm Jam.

Melissa: 00:11

And I'm a chemist.

Jam: 00:12

And I'm not.

Melissa: 00:13

And welcome to Chemistry For Your Life bonus episode.

Jam: 00:16

The podcast helps you understand the chemistry of your everyday life, but this time, we do even more for the same price Of free. Two episodes this week. For the same low price of $0, you can you and your loved ones can experience twice their chemistry in 1 week.

Melissa: 00:35

Okay.

Jam: 00:36

With 3 easy payments of $9.65.

Melissa: 00:40

You have to do the questions this time. Yeah.

Jam: 00:43

I know. So are you ready to get into our questions?

Melissa: 00:47

I'm ready.

Jam: 00:47

Okay. Sweet.

Melissa: 00:48

As ready as I'll ever be.

Jam: 00:49

First question is from 2 people sort of. It's from Estee and Jordan. And they asked, what is the compound in the picture you posted? And this was from a little bit ago, actually, the compound that you made.

Melissa: 01:04

Oh, and the photosynthesis Pictures from today at Yes.

Jam: 01:07

Episode. Yes.

Melissa: 01:08

The artificial photosynthesis. Yes. So I think I replied to Esty Uh-huh. On Instagram, but I don't know how to get on our Facebook.

Jam: 01:16

Yeah.

Melissa: 01:16

So sorry, Jordan, that it took me so long to reply to your comment. That is a compound that I made in the lab. It's, some derivative of it's called Azobodipi for short. Sometimes people call it beodipi as a beodipi instead of as a beodipi. Depends on your accent preference, whatever.

Jam: 01:35

It's a weird word already.

Melissa: 01:37

And it's basically just a dye. And it's a but it's a dye used in dye sensitized solar cells. So it's that beautiful teal color. It will dye your clothes.

Jam: 01:47

Uh-huh.

Melissa: 01:47

And It can turn brown when exposed to light because it decomposes. It can degrade. And then when it's The liquid is all evaporated from it, and it's not dissolved in any kind of solution. It's red and sparkly like glitter, and it is beautiful.

Jam: 02:03

Interesting.

Melissa: 02:04

And it it's one of those times where the chemistry itself is beautiful, but so is the compound that you made. Sometimes you can make really incredible stuff and they just kinda look like sludge. That one is beautiful. It's so fun Yeah. To make.

Melissa: 02:16

It's gorgeous. It's every step of the way is beautiful. Even the separation techniques are beautiful. So That is one of my favorite compounds to make, and that's why I put it on there as a BODIPE. It's a derivative of that.

Jam: 02:29

Damn. That's cool.

Melissa: 02:30

That only means that name probably only means anything to chemist, but you can Google it.

Jam: 02:34

Yeah. It sounds like a different language.

Melissa: 02:36

Yeah. It is. It's a universal language of chemistry.

Jam: 02:39

Oh, I mean, it sounds like yeah. It sounds like like some Latin y chemistry Medical things sound like that that this they are this sounds more like it could be someone's name or something like that.

Melissa: 02:50

The aza is for a nitrogen that replaces something in there, and Bo is for boron, and then Dippy is Dipiro. It's Dipiro methane. So the full name is as a boron Dipiro methane with a substitution at certain places, but nobody thinks that's interesting.

Jam: 03:07

So That makes a lot more sense than I thought it would, though. Yeah. Okay. The next question comes from Sean Inn, and he asked, this is based on the snowflake episode from just a couple weeks ago. Does a snowflake Form in the clouds and then fall?

Jam: 03:23

Does it form as it's falling? Does it continue to form once it hits the ground?

Melissa: 03:29

Keeshan, I am not an expert in snowflakes, but I am sure it's forming While it's in the cloud, and it's moving while on the cloud. So in a way, it's falling, quote, unquote, even while it's in the cloud. Molecules are always moving around. So the answer to the 1st question, in the cloud, as it's physically coming to the ground, I would say both of those are yes. It is possible that it gets to a point Where it's warmer than freezing and it starts to melt.

Jam: 04:00

Mhmm.

Melissa: 04:02

I do not think it would continue to form once it hits the ground because it's Not encountering water molecules in the same way anymore. It's just around a bunch of other solids.

Jam: 04:10

Uh-huh.

Melissa: 04:11

That is my Educated guess.

Jam: 04:15

Okay. Interesting. Okay. The next question or, actually, there's a few in a row from Steven h. His first one is, do all molecules have a crystalline form if given the right environment to grow?

Jam: 04:31

Or are there certain properties the molecule must have, like a prime or square number?

Melissa: 04:36

That is a great question. I'm not 100% sure on the answer, but I'll tell you, if there's a higher amount of symmetry, it is easier to form a crystal. And, again, crystal formation is all about highly ordered substance, and that usually comes as a result of intermolecular forces. So repeating units make it much easier to form that highly ordered crystalline.

Jam: 05:02

Uh-huh.

Melissa: 05:02

So if something is very oddly shaped with very little Symmetry or big and bulky and weird, it is hard to make that nice highly ordered substance. Mhmm. So my Dinctual answer is theoretically, maybe.

Jam: 05:20

Mhmm.

Melissa: 05:21

In reality, there are many molecules that would be Unreasonably difficult to form into crystals is my instinct.

Jam: 05:30

Man, that's crazy. Can you imagine, like, an oxygen crystal, something like that?

Melissa: 05:35

Actually, oxygen, I think oh, maybe it's magnetic. Liquid oxygen does crazy stuff. Oh, yeah. But I don't That's I'm pulling that out of the deep caverns of my mind,

Jam: 05:48

so I

Melissa: 05:48

don't have to dip dive into that.

Jam: 05:50

Okay. His next, question is a comment. Black holes also bend light and make it impossible for us to see what they actually, quote, unquote, look like. Light bending is mind blowing to me.

Melissa: 06:04

Steven, that's so interesting. I did not know that. That's so cool.

Jam: 06:08

Wait. Like, impossible for us to know what it looked like?

Melissa: 06:10

I didn't know any of that about black So I know very little about the cosmos. Something about that makes me

Jam: 06:16

This is that's my world. I mean, I don't know, like, a ton a ton, but it's like, I love it. So Steven and I are kind of, are in the same game here.

Melissa: 06:25

Nice.

Jam: 06:25

Sci fi, black hole, all that. As much as you can throw at me, I'll take even

Melissa: 06:38

Real space interests me. Sci fi does not.

Jam: 06:40

So the best rendering that has is been available of a black hole To the most people is what they did in the movie Interstellar. They decided to just go ahead and let, Like, actual astronomers and physicists and whatever whoever needs to be involved in that go crazy to try their best to show what it actually looked like. And that's in quotes because, really, what you're just seeing is what it what it looks like to have an effect around of the light around it.

Melissa: 07:12

Right.

Jam: 07:13

But it looks Crazy. So I don't know if you saw that movie, but that's that's as accurate of a rendering as we can we have so right now as far as I know.

Melissa: 07:20

Well, I'm mind blown. That's cool.

Jam: 07:22

For the public. Like, that sure. Some guy in some computer lab has, like, a crazy other version, but we have interstellar. The rest the rest of us have interstellar.

Melissa: 07:32

I did not know that.

Jam: 07:35

The next one is a correction,

Melissa: 07:37

from Oh, no.

Jam: 07:38

From Anthony c. And he wrote, it's professor Hulk, not doctor Hulk.

Melissa: 07:44

I'll tell you what. In my mind, professor and doctor are interchangeable, Number 1 Mhmm. In the academic world. And number 2 maybe they shouldn't be, but they are. Uh-huh.

Melissa: 07:54

And number 2, I did say that I'd never seen that movie.

Jam: 07:58

And And I I don't I'm not gonna, like, actually fight him, but I don't remember them saying it in the movie. Like, maybe he's referencing a comic where they do that, but that where Bruce and Hulk become 1, but I don't remember them saying professor Hulk or doctor Hulk in the movie. I just remember it being, like, people after the movie came out referring to it, like a meme or whatever.

Melissa: 08:20

Oh, yeah.

Jam: 08:21

You know? But I don't think they ever said I'm they may they didn't start calling him. Oh, Professor Hoke, can I have a word with you? Or or like

Melissa: 08:29

I trust I trust his knowledge on that 1.

Jam: 08:31

But if it if he's, like, drawing from comic knowledge, I would have no idea. So

Melissa: 08:35

Yeah. I don't know anything.

Jam: 08:37

And his next What the hell? Thing actually is a question. I'm not sure what a bond is or how it works in conjunction with the radical stuff. Now there's a period at the end, but I get what these I think it definitely is a question Overall?

Melissa: 08:50

I was the one that labeled it a question. Technically, I guess, it could just be a comment. Yeah. That one Is a good question, and I'm glad he brought it up because a bond is essentially 2 atoms being held together. Mhmm.

Melissa: 09:07

And it's usually 2 electrons. That's what we're talking about in conjunction with the radical stuff. So

Jam: 09:17

Okay.

Melissa: 09:17

A covalent bond is a type of bond that's 2 electrons that are shared between 2 atoms. So I like to say it's almost like they're holding hands.

Jam: 09:27

Mhmm.

Melissa: 09:28

Each atom generally wants 8 electrons. So if there are 2 that have 7, They'll come near each other and they'll each have access to both of those Okay. Electrons. There are other types of bonds like ionic bonds where One whole electron is lost and the other one is gained. One's positive, one negative.

Melissa: 09:47

Mhmm. It's all kind of a spectrum of How much of the electron density is one place or the other Mhmm. Kind of messy and complicated. But a very basic definition Is a bond is 2 shared electrons between 2 atoms. Mhmm.

Melissa: 10:03

And when that bond is broken, they call it a homolytic Cleavage. So if it's broken in the electron split, 1 to each side

Jam: 10:12

Mhmm.

Melissa: 10:13

That would be a radical because it's 1 electron on each side instead of the shared. Okay. One unpaired electron. That's the best I Can do in a short bonus episode about a bond. Yeah.

Melissa: 10:29

But that's a good question. I didn't realize I'd kinda skipped over that in the explanation On that episode.

Jam: 10:34

The next question is from 2 people, Isabel and Michael. Could you 2 oh, not 2. Sorry. I mean, they said this, but I guess what they really mean is Melissa. Could you 2 explain organic chemistry?

Melissa: 10:49

Well, that's not true. You explained it too. You put you're the translator.

Jam: 10:52

That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can only do my part, though, after you do yours.

Melissa: 10:56

It's like So it's The 2 of us. Okay.

Jam: 10:58

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good point.

Melissa: 11:00

Isabel and Michael, I have some fun news for you. I have already we have already Explained organic chemistry to you. Ah. Now organic chemistry is just the chemistry of carbon based things. Uh-huh.

Melissa: 11:15

So that would be soap. How does soap work? Mhmm. That was an episode about organic chemistry. My organic chemistry students use that.

Melissa: 11:22

Uh-huh. Enantiomers, left and right handed, that we talked about in the episode about artificial sweeteners. Cis and trans fats, we talk about This entrance bonds in organic chemistry a lot. Mhmm. How do we turn sunlight into energy?

Melissa: 11:40

That is all research that was done in an organic chemistry lab. Mhmm. So I hate to break it to you, but you already No organic chemistry. And this is why I'm sad that organic chemistry gets such a bad rap because it's super interesting.

Jam: 11:54

We've been sneaking it to you guys.

Melissa: 11:55

We've been sneaking it in.

Jam: 11:57

Bits at a time. Just like how Andy Dufresne dug out of dug out of his jail cell.

Melissa: 12:03

Deep cut. That's cool. Reference to Should we say it?

Jam: 12:08

Yeah. That was that was a, Shawshank Redemption reference.

Melissa: 12:11

Shawshank Redemption. I love that movie.

Jam: 12:13

It's so good. So but maybe their question was, like, Sort of not getting what where organic chemistry like, what it is, where it ends and begins. So your first at the very beginning, you said about about Carbon based things? Oh, yeah. Maybe that's kinda getting at what their main question is.

Jam: 12:30

I don't know. It's hard to know without without doing follow-up. But

Melissa: 12:34

Isabelle and Michael, if you'd like to reach out to us and clarify your question, ask maybe more specifics, do you just want me to be your organic chemistry teacher? Because then can do that if you come to UNT. You know? Just let us know.

Jam: 12:48

Okay. Sweet. The next question is from Josh c. What do scientific journals and articles actually even mean? How are they legit sources?

Melissa: 12:57

That is a great question. I'm really glad that someone asked that because I've referred to trying to find legit sources quite a bit. Yeah. Scientific journals or articles are peer reviewed journals. So someone will submit their research findings and that is reviewed by other Experts in the field, they're given reviews on them and they may have to make revisions or changes, and then it is submitted.

Melissa: 13:27

So when we find science in those articles, we know that has been vetted through many eyes. And these are usually Blind reviews or they're they're not trying to help each other. It it wouldn't be like, I reviewed my friend's paper.

Jam: 13:44

Oh, got it.

Melissa: 13:45

In general, the goal is for a rigorous scientific process to check one another.

Jam: 13:51

Mhmm.

Melissa: 13:52

That's a peer reviewed journal or article. I look for those sources. When I'm checking my sources, I look for Journal articles in the American Chemical Society Journal, which is a very well renowned one, or in other well renowned journals, or I look in directly in textbooks, which have been reviewed and edited and are trustworthy sources. Mhmm. So part of being in the field for a long time is being able to recognize those sources.

Melissa: 14:19

And sometimes I'll use stuff like the Scientific American or other magazines that are known for Good journal sources. And and they cite the specific paper that it comes from, so I can go look at that.

Jam: 14:34

Nice.

Melissa: 14:35

So or I can figure out which paper it is based on the name of the person they're interviewing. So, in general, I work very hard to have legitimate sources that I am confident have been reviewed by other scientists or that are coming from a textbook and reviewed from other scientists. But that's sort of the basics of how you can look for A, quote, legit source. But it is difficult. So I Yeah.

Melissa: 15:01

May Google to find something that I'll sift through to look I don't even look at the titles until I see American Chemical Society or something that seems trustworthy.

Jam: 15:11

And some things you've looked at too have been, like, sources that you have access to through the university or through your peers or the textbooks that you use or teach from or whatever. So it's like those are probably Equally rigorous process to make sure that they're legit.

Melissa: 15:24

Yes. And a lot of scientific journals or articles you have to be subscribed to. Yeah. And the university does that subscription, so I'm able to get all of those. Mhmm.

Melissa: 15:33

So I'm really lucky in that.

Jam: 15:35

Yeah. That's really helpful for me to hear too. I don't think I really thought about it, but It's like peer reviewed. It's not like I'm trying to give my buddy a good thumbs up on his article he worked hard on. It's like, we're all scientists.

Jam: 15:47

We're all Right. Pursuing the truth and better understanding of our world.

Melissa: 15:55

Right.

Jam: 15:55

And so I'm not gonna go easy on like, Oh, yeah. Looks pretty good.

Melissa: 15:59

Right.

Jam: 15:59

There you go. Good job. It's like 10 and o. We're trying to make sure that this is as airtight as it can be

Melissa: 16:06

Right.

Jam: 16:08

Rather than trying to be polite to each other thing.

Melissa: 16:10

Yes. Sometimes you can be reviewed by your competitor. Ah. And often people get eviscerated by reviewers. Yeah.

Jam: 16:16

Yeah.

Melissa: 16:16

So there's There's definitely a level of rigor.

Jam: 16:19

Yeah. That's cool. Good question, Josh. The next question is a fun one. I mean, they've all been fun, but this one's kind of not sciency.

Jam: 16:26

What podcasts do you like? Asks Taquisia d.

Melissa: 16:32

I love Podcast.

Jam: 16:34

Yeah. Me too.

Melissa: 16:35

I was so excited when we got this. I'm a prolific podcast listener, and I was trying to think about this before We answered. There are so many I could say. 1 that I really love that Jam doesn't approve of as much is My Favorite Murder. And one of the big reasons for that is not the content of the murder, although I am really confused as to why people commit murder.

Melissa: 16:59

So I Trying to get as many facts as I can about it. But the women in that show, Karen and Georgia host it, And they have actually been surprisingly very encouraging to me. Whenever I was really struggling in the lab and things weren't going well, they were almost a source Of constant presence because there was so many hours of backlog podcast when I found them. Mhmm. And they were very encouraging about pursuing the things that you wanna pursue and making the most of the things that you have in front of you right now and Very encouraging about women pursuing science.

Melissa: 17:34

Just a lot of things that were very empowering for me that you would not expect from a murder podcast. So that's Been one thing that has been 1 podcast that's been really beneficial to me.

Jam: 17:46

And I don't approve of it, but not in the sense that, like, it doesn't matter what I think about Melissa's podcast tastes it's more like, I don't like like, that's not in the category of things that I wanna listen to. It doesn't matter that I don't like it.

Melissa: 17:58

Doesn't like murder. Yeah.

Jam: 17:59

I don't like murder. So it's like doesn't stand a chance.

Melissa: 18:02

There are others really well known ones that I love, like Radiolab. Kind of an Interesting new one that I'm starting to enjoy is called Everything is Alive

Jam: 18:12

Oh, yeah.

Melissa: 18:13

Where they just interview inanimate objects. But there are a lot of podcast that I listen to every single week when they come out religiously, podcasts that I absolutely love. So if if you want me to suggest some podcast for you, just write it, And I will hit you up.

Jam: 18:28

I we have some overlap of podcast likes. Like, there's several sciency ones I think they both really like. I really love Radiolab as well. And that's one of my that probably is the podcast that got me into podcasts, I think.

Melissa: 18:43

That's true for me too. I was assigned it in a class. That one class, more than any other class in my entire life, has changed my life and has taught me more Yeah. Because of All the things I learned from all these nonfiction podcasts I listen to.

Jam: 18:56

I can't for the laugh if you remember who who told me to listen to RadioLab or anything like that, but it definitely is what got me into podcasts. Yeah. I also like RadioLab's More Perfect podcast about the Supreme Court. I like This American Life. One of my recent favorites, meaning, like, the past couple years that got up there in the tiers of podcasting for me is Revisionist History by Malcolm Gladwell.

Jam: 19:21

And

Melissa: 19:22

Have you been listening to Finding Fred?

Jam: 19:25

No. I have not.

Melissa: 19:26

That one is really good too. Finding Fred is Highly recommend. And 99% visible.

Jam: 19:31

If you work in, like, a office place, work culture kinda place Mhmm. The podcast Work Life with Adam Grant is a must. Like, it Nice. Observes he's an organizational psychologist, and it is, like, it's an amazing podcast. If you don't have a place to apply the the stuff, it's still interesting.

Jam: 19:47

But it's even more cool if you like work in an office setting. And there's a Bob Dylan podcast I love called Bob Dylan album by album. And those are my highlights. There's so many. I'm scrolling through here.

Jam: 19:58

Looking at that, I've listened to you.

Melissa: 20:00

I know. I'm subscribed to Maybe 30 podcasts right now. So it's hard to separate out which ones I love more. It's so hard. Yeah.

Melissa: 20:10

The Dolly Parton's America Made Me Cry last night, and that's also produced by Radiolab.

Jam: 20:15

So Yeah.

Melissa: 20:16

Yeah. That's a really good one.

Jam: 20:17

I'm a show 1 more if we have time, but it's called Broken Record. It's a music podcast by the well, that's one of them people, but I don't think it's a super well Podcast by Rick Rubin, a really well known producer. Mhmm.

Melissa: 20:29

A

Jam: 20:29

lot of people just heard his name, but don't know really who he is very well. And a few other people, and they interview musicians and kinda get this, like, behind the scenes music, approach. And each episode is really different. They don't have, like, a Oh, yeah. We're gonna make all of them like this.

Jam: 20:45

They kinda let the musician and what that person's done or accomplished or currently is doing inform what the Episode's gonna be like Oh,

Melissa: 20:53

that's really good.

Jam: 20:54

So it's super different. And Brooklyn Record, cool name too. So and look at their logo. I mean

Melissa: 20:59

Very cool. Yeah. If you want, we can just screenshot all the podcasts we're subscribed to and post them.

Jam: 21:04

Yeah. That's a good idea. Okay. Man, that's a What a question. Load a question because we can talk about it the whole time.

Jam: 21:12

This next one's from Emily p. Is a bobby pin official scientist Equipment. Because now I feel so sciency and smart and prepared.

Melissa: 21:21

Willy p? The answer to that question is yes. A 100%. Just like Nancy Drew in Girl Scouts, you always have to be prepared and you have to be ready to use any equipment on hand to accomplish your goals. I really that's a joke, but I really have found a lot of being a scientist and working in the lab is being very Creative with the resources you have because often Mhmm.

Melissa: 21:42

There's not enough funds to just buy the equipment you need.

Jam: 21:45

It was that from that video? We use a bi pen to show the water Tension? Okay. Yeah. That sounds like, where was that from?

Jam: 21:52

Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

Melissa: 21:54

So the answer is jokingly yes, but Realistically, yes, also. We've had to use YETI cups. Once they've been claimed by the lab, you don't drink out of them again. You had to use YETI cups to contain Liquid nitrogen. I mean, all kinds of things when we were low on funds and needed equipment, we would Just have to be resourceful.

Melissa: 22:17

Yeah. So so in a way, yes. Okay. Well, this one I'm gonna ask Jam about Uh-oh. Because it's a jam specific.

Melissa: 22:29

This was emailed to our joint email account, chem for your life at gmail.com. Shoot us an email. It's from Tori M. And she said, hey, pal. Remember your 1st football game at UNT?

Melissa: 22:42

Hashtag sports and attached a photo of Jam at his 1st UNT football game ever, and I died of happiness.

Jam: 22:52

Yeah. I'm amazed you found that too. So she sent that right after 1 of my, like on my high horse about Sports being dumb or whatever. And it was a perfect timing to send that because I was like I just said something, I think, to your Hockey thing. I don't know.

Melissa: 23:10

It humbled you a little bit.

Jam: 23:11

I can't remember what we're talking about. So she sent that. And it's pretty funny. That photo is funny too because, like, Like, it doesn't really prove that I'm, like, a sports fan because I don't look at all happy. No.

Jam: 23:21

There, so I was my 1st UNT football game. I was a freshman, and they had this, like, weird panorama Camera thing so you could go find yourself in this large photo. They actually took a photo of the entire stadium. Yeah. And, Somebody went and found where me and some people were sitting and then tagged us all in it.

Jam: 23:42

So I didn't even go do that, but, I don't look very happy. I stayed for only half of it. And then I I went to another half of the game my sophomore year. So that's that's first one with my freshman year. Another half of the game my sophomore year.

Jam: 23:56

So in my whole career at UNT, I went to 1 whole football game, but I gave myself a nice year long break Between between the 2 halves. So

Melissa: 24:06

So, Jim, can you explain why you hate sports? I I'm sure the listeners are dying to know.

Jam: 24:12

I just I don't, like, love competition. I don't love how consumeristic sports are. It's, like, turned into an entertainment thing, makes so much money. I don't think it's, like, completely worthless, but I think things like like my degree is basically an art degree. To me, that's a lot more important to me.

Jam: 24:29

I'm not saying that's important to the world, but to me, art, is a lot more important. And so thinking about going to a College football game, and those stadiums are nice. And, Steph, lots of money spent on it, and then a lot of money is made on sports as well. I just don't I'm just kinda like, man, I just don't like that the world is that way. So Yeah.

Jam: 24:48

That's a really, really, really summarized version. I mean, I I also lost stuff about, like, concerns about Kids in high school and middle school and even younger Right. Playing sports and getting a lot of injuries, a lot of, really serious neurological stuff from football That's actually very, very real and a huge problem, stuff like that.

Melissa: 25:08

I totally understand a lot of that. I love sports. Well, really just One sport. Yeah.

Jam: 25:13

But

Melissa: 25:13

I also like playing some sports mostly because of the nostalgia, and it's something my family's always come Me and my dad have always come together around that. And so Yeah. It really is more about the memories, but there are times I'm bothered by how much Sheer money is put into it, how much money people spend on it, that I makes me kind of recoil. Yeah. Some people I know have spent 1,000 of dollars on Just collector's items, which is really mind blowing to me.

Melissa: 25:41

So I'm I understand where you're coming from. Yeah. I try to take the good and leave the bad.

Jam: 25:45

Yeah.

Melissa: 25:46

I advocate highly for traumatic brain injury research.

Jam: 25:49

Yeah.

Melissa: 25:50

A lot of my friends who are speech pathologists have talked to me about that.

Jam: 25:53

Yeah. One last thing I'm just realizing I should have already said is that a lot of male heavy sports just reinforce male stereotypes in a pretty unhealthy way. I'm like, man, that's not me. And that's not a lot of men too. But it's like it's a kinda unhealthy Either standard for men to try to, like, have to achieve or Right.

Jam: 26:13

Just unhealthy characteristics for Love competition and unhealthy I don't know. Yeah. So that's another beef I have with it. This is a good time to springboard off into my next, podcast venture, No Sports For Your Life, where we'll talk about how Oh. Every week.

Jam: 26:33

Okay. So that's all the questions we have. So before we close this episode out, we wanted to thank people who have helped keep our show going. We talked about this a little bit more recently, but it costs us money to to make this show. We don't make any money off of it.

Jam: 26:47

And so we've had some people give to our Ko fi Since we recorded our last bonus, we've had some people donate. And so we wanna thank you guys. So Estee, Zach, Abby and an anonymous donor, thank you guys so much for going above and beyond. We already are so thankful for Your listenership, for getting to engage with us, and just and just, you know, allowing us to do what we do just by listening. But, also, thank you so much for for donating to our Cofi.

Jam: 27:18

We now have several months of our hosting fees covered.

Melissa: 27:21

Woo hoo.

Jam: 27:22

Yeah. Which is awesome. So that's one of our biggest costs honestly at the moment. And so thank you guys so so much for for donating. That means so much to us.

Melissa: 27:30

And thank you guys for listening today to this bonus episode. This episode of Chemistry For Your Life was created by Melissa Collini and J. M. Robinson. And we'd like to give a special thanks to E Robinson who reviewed this episode.