Bonus: Acronyms and Mom Memories (chemmunity style)
Hey. I'm Melissa.
Jam:I'm Jam.
Melissa:And I'm a chemist. And I'm not. And welcome to chemistry for your life.
Jam:The podcast helps you understand the chemistry of Your everyday life, bonus edition.
Melissa:That was, like, perfectly in sync.
Jam:It was.
Melissa:That was pretty fun.
Jam:Nailed it.
Melissa:I love it when that happens.
Jam:This one's a little different of a bonus edition.
Melissa:This one is a little different. So I don't know if you all know, but the holiday season's coming Mhmm.
Jam:Whether you know it or not.
Melissa:Whether you know it or not. And so we're trying to get a little bit ahead of recording, but that's hard for bonus episodes because we ask questions, And so we'd be asking, like we just did the PFAS bonus episode last week, and we still have to do, you know, a December 1 soon before December happens in November, so we don't wanna be asking you questions all the time and you run out of questions.
Jam:Right. And a lot of times, your questions come from episodes we've just released, which in this case, you haven't heard them yet because they've not come out yet because Yeah. We're recording ahead. We're in
Melissa:the future, though. We know right now what episodes came out,
Jam:But you don't know what questions you're gonna
Melissa:ask. Yeah.
Jam:So it's one of those things about time that's so frustrating. It's like the present is here now, but the future isn't.
Melissa:I kinda I kinda like that, actually. No.
Jam:I do too. I like it too. I'm not complaining.
Melissa:So what we decided to do instead for the November bonus episode. Instead of our normal question and response, which will be back within December, we'll record it, like, 2 weeks from now or next week, which is still October, but whatever.
Jam:Yeah.
Melissa:And we so we decided to do, the Secret episode style. Mhmm. So for those of you who don't know, over on Patreon, our Patreon supporters get a bonus episode. Or if you Subscribe on Apple Podcasts. They get a bonus episode every month, same week that we do our rerelease, the 1 episode that we don't Put out a new chemistry episode.
Melissa:Mhmm. But it's not chemistry related. Right. Because we feel really strongly about not putting any chemistry behind a paywall.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:So it's just us chatting as friends because we're friends, and we have a lot of opinions, and we like to share things.
Jam:Mhmm. And we call it Kemmunity. Like, we call our, you know, Patreon and that whole group, our community, and we call it community, the secret chemistry for your life podcast.
Melissa:Secret podcast. So we decided that so that you all know kind of what it's like and if you'd be interested in listening, we're gonna make our November bonus episode be in the style of our community episode.
Jam:Right. So you guys get to a little bit of a sort of sampler, if you will, of what it would be like to either subscribe to our Patreon and get access to that or subscribe on The Apple Podcasts, you know, subscription thing. What it might be like to have an extra little episode or extra little hangout time with Melissa and I every month, to talk about stuff that isn't chemistry.
Melissa:Yeah. Just whatever.
Jam:Yeah. So that might be up your alley. That might be something you like. It might be something you don't like, which is Totally fine.
Melissa:Yeah. Just whenever you want. Yeah. Alright. Well
Jam:Let's do
Melissa:it. Let's do it. Do you wanna go first, or you want me to?
Jam:Community.
Melissa:Community. Secret podcast edition.
Jam:Yours is kinda meaningful. Correct?
Melissa:Mine is a little meaningful. Yeah.
Jam:Okay. Mine's not, so I'll go first.
Melissa:Okay.
Jam:Nothing worse than something important and kinda meaningful and, like, You know, serious in a good way, then followed by something dumb and not serious. Yep. So here's the thing I wanna talk about today. Okay. Acronyms.
Jam:What are your general feeling about them, if any? Just from a distance, the the 10,000 foot view of acronyms.
Melissa:I think you feel pretty neutral. They're convenient when writing research papers so that you don't have to write out, you know, like, doctoral education in chemistry.
Jam:Okay.
Melissa:You don't have to write it out Every time. Or right now, I'm writing a proposal. There's a little sneak peek behind the curtains. This is the kind of stuff you get on community episodes. I'm writing a proposal chemistry for your life.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:Trying to get a little bit of funding so that we can research chemistry for your life as part of my work. And so I don't have to write out chemistry for your life every time. I just do c f y l, and that makes it a lot easier. Yep. So it's like neutral to positive ish, but I do see how they can make things, like, way confusing if you have a of them or, you know, whatever.
Melissa:So I feel like it sort of depends on the person who's using them and how, You know, they could be used for good or evil, but I think they're just neutral.
Jam:So I have started to become of the opinion slowly That, acronyms stink. And here's why. I think that acronyms, And then I'm not trying to say this always is true, but I would say, let's go with something kinda like 9 times out of 10. You know? Alright.
Jam:Still allows for, like, a 10% chance for an acronym to be useful and helpful. Yeah. But I think 9 times out of the 10, it tells you 2 things. 1, The name for whatever thing you're acronyming or phrase or whatever, it's actually just too long. Mhmm.
Jam:Just too long. Or, that you or you don't need to use in the 1st place.
Melissa:But, listen, what about things like my brother-in-law was named after somebody, and so instead of using his whole name, they call him JD as for his first seminal initial.
Jam:Yep. Yes. So think
Melissa:he should've just been named JD? Or is that the 10%?
Jam:Well, Let me think. I mean, my name is my my nickname is and my initials too.
Melissa:Oh, that's true. Yeah. That's a hot take that you hate your own acronym.
Jam:Well, no. Because I think the problem that most people are encountering is, is not people's names.
Melissa:Okay. So you think the names are kind of like a They're incidental.
Jam:Yeah. Probably. I mean, I think so every day, think about things like, parts of our government, FBI, CIA, blah blah.
Melissa:NSF.
Jam:NSF. Exactly. Or like, NASA or whatever. It's like, I think sometimes They become their own name to the degree that we all know it or whatever.
Melissa:Yeah.
Jam:But if you don't, like, I kind of have realized that, Yes. It shortens things down, so we're not having to say all these words. It's like, okay. That's nice. But should we just pick a shorter name in the 1st place?
Melissa:Like Oh, if this shorter name doesn't tell you everything you need to know?
Jam:It most of the time doesn't. That's what I'm saying. But, like, NASA does not tell you what you need to know at all. Doesn't say anything.
Melissa:True.
Jam:The something national aeronautic something something.
Melissa:I don't know.
Jam:Because people don't know what it stands for. And so then I'm thinking, what is it really accomplishing? What is really happening? So you name this thing long, and you think, well, of course, we're never gonna call it that, because that's way too long. Let's call it this.
Jam:But then you create a situation where no one either knows what it stands for at all, which is a problem, kind of a downside. I'm like, what if you just spend a little bit more time trying to figure it out? The other thing that happens Do you
Melissa:think it's lazy? You're like, it's lazy.
Jam:I think it's lazy. And I think It can, in many cases, make people just feel dumb because they don't know what it means. Do you know?
Melissa:Yeah. It's like exclusive.
Jam:Yes.
Melissa:Yeah.
Jam:And so, like and there's so many cases I feel like an acronym From a distance, you know, to somebody who's maybe outside of whatever, like, governmental organization or whatever other thing you might be, you know, abbreviating. Think about, like, Text abbreviations. Mhmm. You know? There was a time where doing that in those little keypads on our old phones Mhmm.
Jam:It actually was really helpful. It actually saved a lot of time. Yeah. Let's have a shared coded kinda thing. Now I would say it does not really Save that much time.
Jam:It is not that much more effort to type the whole thing out. Mhmm. And people are often like, wait. What does that mean? Mhmm.
Jam:Like, what's SMH mean? Shaking my head.
Melissa:My head.
Jam:Yeah. Or whatever. And so
Melissa:schmick, which is that's gonna become its own thing.
Jam:Yeah. Sure. That's true. But I feel like so it can accomplish it can either just confuse because no one knows what something means, or it can, Just tell you that you picked the a bad name in the 1st place. If you have to shorten it because it's so long, you picked a bad name in the 1st place.
Melissa:I I think there are instances where I would say, like, I think that both of those things can be true. But, like, for the FBI, I know what that means. Federal Bureau of invest blah blah blah. Federal Bureau of Investigations. I'm probing his point right now.
Jam:Yep. Too long.
Melissa:Well, with the alternative be Like, what would you name it? Investigations? National investigations?
Jam:I don't know.
Melissa:But then people just say n I. Right. You know?
Jam:Yeah. I don't know.
Melissa:I feel like people love to make things easier. Even as the original thing, I don't disagree with you, but I think people it's just like people are like, I'm gonna make this shorter. I'm gonna make this easier.
Jam:Yep. But I think you're always leaving these people behind when you do that, or You're just proving that you you made something too long. So, like, if it's always needing okay. This is too long to say. I gotta cut it down.
Jam:It's just like, why didn't you Why'd you make it so long?
Melissa:What about in the case where it's, like, not a name, like STEM? It's science, technology, engineering, and math. You're grouping things together that go together. You think we should have made up a name for it?
Jam:Maybe. I mean, I think one of the thing tough things there is, like, clearly, it is nice to could to to address these things as a group. But how many people read STEM in all caps and, like, wait. What is that?
Melissa:Well, what I like about papers is the first time you use an acronym, you have to spell it out. So in, like, a research paper, if I'm gonna write STEM, even though I'm like, everybody knows what STEM is, not everybody does. So you literally you have to write Science, technology, engineering, math, parenthesis, STEM Yep. Parenthesis. And then from then on, you can use STEM because you did it.
Melissa:Or And
Jam:If there's a rule where you had to do that in every conversation with this specific group of audience or whatever Mhmm. That would be fine with me at least somewhat. That'd be too annoying, wouldn't it?
Melissa:It would be well, that's already how I function in all my presentations and in all my papers and in podcast episodes. I don't think I use Acronyms without explaining them because Right. You can't super. Maybe I use, like, STEM. But Yeah.
Melissa:Yeah. So in that way, I think that I like that about papers.
Jam:Yeah. There are some situations where I feel like So here's an example. I used to work for a I think this is prior yeah. I think it's not a big deal to share. I used to work for, humanitarian ministry.
Jam:Mhmm. It was called Global Aid Network.
Melissa:GAIN.
Jam:They shortened it to GAIN because they didn't do Gan. That doesn't sound great. Right?
Melissa:Right.
Jam:Does it put the I from aid in there too, and that lowercase gain? We got questions with that all the time. All the time. Our logo, you had had Globe by Network under it. You know, Gain, Globe by Network.
Jam:And in my experience there, The the the shortening of that name helped us in no way at all. Mhmm. Caused more confusion, And, you know, part of it's maybe because we did it that way with the little eye. But guess what? So then I was part of this rebranding effort we did in my last year working there, And we came up with a name, and this is what this is a branding name too.
Jam:Mhmm. You you come up with a name, and, yes, maybe it doesn't have all the words you want in there. Doesn't have Federal Bureau of Investigation. It doesn't have all the words in there, but you can sort of imbue something with meaning Through branding, through, you know, where do we where do people see our logo? How do we describe ourselves?
Jam:Blah blah blah. But we don't have to pack that all into the name. We don't have to have Everything there. You know? Yeah.
Jam:And the name we came up with is unto. Do unto others.
Melissa:So here's a question I have though too. Like, if something makes you laugh in a text message, you didn't say, LOL. What do you do? Do you say Do you say that made me laugh? Used to say, That's what I used to say.
Jam:Or I'll do an emoji.
Melissa:Oh, smart.
Jam:Emoji that's like you know?
Melissa:Okay. I see your 10%, and I'm gonna raise it to 25%. Because the number of times I use acronyms in my everyday life is primarily in situations where I have to explain what it is first. Mhmm. And it's very useful.
Melissa:Like, if I was writing a paper about chemistry for your life, and I had to write chemistry for your life every time, It would make it so wordy. It would make it so awkward. Yeah. And people know what it is already Right. Or STEM.
Jam:Right. But you wouldn't say STEM, you would probably say out loud. But you wouldn't do you know
Melissa:The muffin man? I couldn't help That's hard to say.
Jam:Yeah. It's hard to say. And it's sort of like it would beg the question, you know, was the name too long? But chemistry for your life isn't
Melissa:Kim for your life is one that we sometimes use. Well, that's not an acronym. That's just an abbreviation.
Jam:Yeah. Exactly.
Melissa:Alright. Fine. But I still gonna stick with at least 20%. I think 20% of the time, they're useful.
Jam:Today I got a text from a friend asking me if I was gonna see a certain movie, and he the title of the movie. And I was like, oh, how would I know what you're even talking about? Like, I have never seen anyone do that. It was The movie
Melissa:Swift fans will do that with their song. Sorry. What was the movie?
Jam:Killers of the fly moon, the new Scorsese movie. So he did
Melissa:K f.
Jam:F. Kill killers of k o Uh-huh. T f m.
Melissa:Well, there's another one. So there's a play there's a the National Organization of Black Chemists and Chemical Engineers. Uh-huh.
Jam:That
Melissa:is a lot to say. Uh-huh. And I don't know how you could have shortened it because it's like, that's exactly what it is. Yep. And so the acronym I don't even know what the acronym is, but then people just call it NOBCChE, like, short for the Uh-huh.
Melissa:For all that stuff. Uh-huh. So the acronym is, like, In for national organization, o. And that is really handy.
Jam:Yep. But what if you had come up with a cool word that is The
Melissa:Embued in Mhmm.
Jam:I
Melissa:don't know. I don't know if that's always possible.
Jam:That's just that's branding, folks. Nike. You know what I'm saying? It's like they're always a thing you throw out there. And
Melissa:I think there's some value for names to be exactly what the thing is.
Jam:Yes. But what if that thing is really long, and then the the actual thing is just hidden behind it? It's like there's so many times so that people don't know what the thing is. So
Melissa:Yeah. That's true. I do have to ask.
Jam:Mhmm.
Melissa:I'm not sure. I'm not sure I'm on the same page. I don't disagree with everything you're saying, but I also don't agree with everything you're saying.
Jam:Yeah. Right. I mean, I call that a win. And if you can't completely dismantle my argument so, you know, there's many times Melissa and I have been involved in either real or sort of fake kind of funny arguments. And, you know, the reason is because we can both kind of Quickly latch onto some opinions and some reasons for those opinions.
Jam:Kinda in the moment, we're pretty good at doing that on the fly. And so for Melissa not to be able to completely disagree with me
Melissa:Mhmm.
Jam:And not have some sort of ironclad anti, against from against my opinion
Melissa:Mhmm.
Jam:Reasoning for hers, that's a win for me.
Melissa:I would maybe try a little bit harder if we weren't on a podcast.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:With a low key time crunch.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:And, also, I think it's hard for me to separate the personal from the professional. Like, everywhere in my personal professional life, there's tons of acronyms that I think are very helpful, and most of the people know about them most of the time. And so it is I think it does more benefit than good, and I like that some of the names are very clear. Like, this is the American Chemical Society. Mhmm.
Melissa:Everybody in our field pretty much knows what ACS is, so it's easier to say that and better, and I do think it communicates well.
Jam:Yeah. But
Melissa:on the other hand, there are things that I'm like, it is dumb that we do
Jam:Yep.
Melissa:Yep. So sometimes I in some cases, I agree. And in some cases, I'm like, I don't know. It is really helpful in this, especially professional. I'm thinking Primarily in my professional setting.
Jam:Mhmm.
Melissa:And that's hard to, you know, translate.
Jam:Yep.
Melissa:Alright.
Jam:Sweet.
Melissa:Win for you. I don't feel like it's a loss for me, though. I still feel pretty neutral.
Jam:I mean, I totally I feel fine letting you,
Melissa:Stay neutral.
Jam:Think that way. Letting you feel like you held on to some sort of dignity is me. It doesn't bother me at all.
Melissa:It's like I'm polarized in certain areas. I'm like, That is dumb that nobody knows what NASA stands for. But I feel like most people know in our field what most things are. And if they don't, In, like, a presentation or a whatever, I will always
Jam:And that's that's an argument you can make. And I think also You can only make it because people know it. Like but once you go out to the public and you're not talking about specific sort of discipline or field Mhmm. Yeah. You know, my wife works in medicine.
Jam:It's like they have tons of those, and there's, like, Latin names for medicines and stuff and, like, crazy stuff where I'm like, yeah, man. Like, okay. I get it. You'd be exhausted, and it would literally maybe take Yeah. You know, twice as much time Mhmm.
Jam:But multiple times a day to say these things really.
Melissa:Or, like, multiple times in 1 paper.
Jam:But you've come up with a code because everyone knows it and because it must happen. What my aim is, there's so many situations right out. Think you must come up with 1. And in fact, I think it may make The the language matter less, and the words have less meaning, and the connection
Melissa:codes just as bad or worse.
Jam:Yes. And Distancing ourselves, from the sort of actual meeting or something. I have
Melissa:a good way to transition this from your thing to my thing.
Jam:Okay. Deal.
Melissa:So my mom was an occupational therapist. Uh-huh. And she had a badge, and it said OTR on it. And I was like, why does it say OTR? And she said it's her occupational therapist registered.
Melissa:And I was like, why wouldn't it just be registered occupational therapist? And she said, then it would say rot on my badge, which nobody wants it Dang. So that's a good example of your thing and also going into my thing, which I was gonna talk about my mom.
Jam:Okay. Yes.
Melissa:Which you did know that Yeah. Which is how you knew it'd be kind of meaningful. So Yeah. For those of you who don't know, my mom passed away right at the beginning of the pandemic, not because of the pandemic. It was a coincidence.
Melissa:It was, like, convenient killing sentence, though, because I had time to go and be with her before she died. She died from cancer.
Jam:Very slight silver lining to that.
Melissa:Very slight silver lining to the worst situation. Although it was kind of like when she died, I was like, okay. Now the pandemic's over. Like, I thought
Jam:Oh, yeah.
Melissa:In my brain, like, her getting really sick and everything shutting down happened so close together that I was like, oh, now she's dead, so now the world's going back. No.
Jam:Right.
Melissa:It was very weird.
Jam:Yeah. You're like, oh, now I gotta deal with this other unfortunate situation that's happening that was was less significant to me at first because I had a bigger other I had bigger fish to fry.
Melissa:Yeah. The worst thing in my life happened, and I could hug, like, 2 people.
Jam:Yep.
Melissa:It was crazy. Yeah. Anyway so So she died, and her birthday is in October. And I tried to do something, you know, to kind of honor her birthday every year, and she liked experiences more than she liked to, like, get things. Yeah.
Melissa:And she also loved good food. And, coincidentally, my mother-in-law wanted to take me to this conference this month, And it was in San Antonio. And so I went with my mother-in-law and my sister-in-law, and she had bought an extra ticket, but the 4th person wasn't able to come. So it's like we kind of had an extra ticket.
Jam:Uh-huh.
Melissa:And then it was in San Antonio where I've got it with my mom. And San Antonio has Mexican food, which my mom loved, and it's so good. Mhmm. And we Had delicious Mexican food. I we don't drink a ton, but the only alcoholic drink I ever saw my mom drink was margaritas.
Melissa:She just had a soft spot for them.
Jam:Uh-huh.
Melissa:And so we had a really good margarita while we were there
Jam:Uh-huh.
Melissa:And really good Mexican food and really good Italian food. And, like, every single place we ate, None of it missed. All of it was incredible. Every time we ate, I was like, this is the best version of this I've ever had. Like, that was the best margarita I've ever Wow.
Melissa:We had Italian food, and I had burrata this burrata with balsamic. And I was like, this is the best burrata I've ever had. Just everything was delicious. Everything was so, so good. The guacamole was so good.
Melissa:Everything was so good. And I was like, My mom would have loved this trip, and it kinda felt like we were there in a place I'd been with her before doing something I know she would have loved, and then we had, like, extra ticket. It was just kind of like it felt like it was something that it was my mother-in-law and, you know, her daughter and then me, and it felt like sort of my mom was there with us in spirit, kind of. Yeah. And it was just really sweet and fun, and I was kinda like, what are the chances that all this lined up to where I could be in a city where I've been with my mom, do things that I've done with my mom 4, but, like, with my mother-in-law who loves me so much and is, like, a really good mother-in-law.
Melissa:I know some mother in laws are kinda crazy, but she, like, She just took me in just like I was her own, but she's not, like, all in our business all the time or anything. She's super respectful. And so it was just really, really Good and fun. It felt like a great way to honor my mom.
Jam:That's awesome. So Very cool. That sounds happen. That sounds super fun. And, also, like, man, dude, Nothing is better than having such good food with fun people Uh-huh.
Jam:And, like, the fact that y'all y'all lucked out to have Every place be so good. Uh-huh. Like, I mean, you know, even if when you're traveling somewhere else, you kinda hope, like, okay. If half the place that we go to, could be great. Yeah.
Jam:That's fine. Yeah. But that's, like, amazing.
Melissa:The other thing was so good. And it was on her birthday. You know? And we even stumbled across this area, like, near the convention center that we were at, that was, like for some reason, it was just, like, 5 minutes in the other direction. Uh-huh.
Melissa:Like, say, Where we were going in the Alamo dom or, the river walk and all that was, like, diagonal from each other. You can go one side of the square or the other side of the square. You know?
Jam:Yeah.
Melissa:Everybody went one side of the square, and we went the other side, and nobody was over there.
Jam:Yeah. That's cool.
Melissa:And it was so odd, but it was that's where a lot of the really good restaurants were, and it was a lot of people who seemed to live in the area. Like, there was an apartment complex nearby. And so you're like, oh, this is the vibe I want. It's kinda where the local people are hanging out.
Jam:Yeah.
Melissa:There was a super cute coffee shop. Just, like, everything was so good. And for it to be on her actual birthday and doing something she would have really loved and also, like, Remembering that she is the person who helped me learn to love food.
Jam:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool to remember. And those are, like, such positive, Fun and doable things to remember.
Jam:Oh, your mom. Yeah. Which is, of course, like, you know, there's the sadness that's Impossible to not feel at all. Yeah. But, like, it's cool that this trip reminded you of so many positive, cool, enjoyable, fun things about your mom Instead of just being like hey.
Jam:It's Ronald's birthday. Yeah. Ready to feel sad?
Melissa:Yeah. Ready to be sad. Yeah. Yeah. And it was sort of cool because it was like Yeah.
Melissa:Instead of just sad, it was a lot of remembering, like, oh, I'm this way because of her, and I'm not because of her. And it was something really fun. I'm like, oh, she would have loved Mason's mom. She yeah. Yeah.
Melissa:So it was a really, really special trip, and, yeah, I just really loved it. And the food was so good. I mean, The margarita that we had that I said was really good, it was cucumber jalapeno margarita.
Jam:Woah.
Melissa:So even if you don't really like alcohol, Totally get it. I don't know that alcohol there's, like, new studies that say that alcohol in any amount is pretty bad for you.
Jam:Yeah.
Melissa:So imagine this like a limeade
Jam:Yep.
Melissa:But a cucumber, hallobeen, no limeade.
Jam:Right. So a little bit of kick to it? Mhmm.
Melissa:And had tahini on the rim. Uh-huh. It was so good. Just a mad the combination of flavor flavors was Just so spot on.
Jam:That's awesome.
Melissa:It was so good.
Jam:Yeah. That's cool.
Melissa:So
Jam:So instead of remembering the Alamo, You would
Melissa:say Antonio
Jam:to remember Alice.
Melissa:Didn't think about yep. Didn't think about the Alamo probably about once or twice.
Jam:Yeah.
Melissa:Then My mother-in-law was like, should we go that long? I was like, I don't care about that. I care about that pizza place down the street. Yeah. Yeah.
Melissa:Yeah. Yeah. Yep.
Jam:I remembered it earlier. I'll remember it again later. Okay? It's still gonna be there. I'm not worried about it.
Melissa:Yeah. I did take a Texas history class in college, so that's enough. I yeah.
Jam:Exactly. I mean, we have to I think we we take text history also multiple times in, like,
Melissa:grades goal. Right? To get out of an economics I was like, I don't wanna take economics, but I can take Texas history. That sounds more fun.
Jam:Yeah. I like and if if someone goes to San Antonio, this is, like, one of the things I think that people who don't live in Texas, especially don't live in the US, will be like, what are you guys talking about? Yeah. Look up the Alamo, a l a m o. You'll kinda get a little bit of context.
Jam:But if someone goes to San Antonio at all, they come out, but then they talk about the demo. I feel like, oh, and did you remember the Alamo? It's just like as if it's like, This day, like, don't forget, don't forget the Alamo.
Melissa:Get to remember the Alamo. Yeah. We also watched miss Congeniality. Do you remember that movie?
Jam:Yes. I do.
Melissa:And my mom also really liked that, but we kinda had some downtime. And we were like, should we just go hang out in the hotel and watch a movie because we're kind of exhausted? Neither of them had seen it before. I Woah. It held up pretty good.
Melissa:There's some things that was like, Yeah. But it takes place in San Antonio. Oh, I
Jam:I did not remember that.
Melissa:Uh-huh. And it was that's that was fun that there was, like, a scene that It was on the River Rock that we passed Yeah. You know, also. So
Jam:That's cool. Yeah. Very cool.
Melissa:Yeah. So if you're going to San Antonio anytime soon, I can tell you where to eat, and I can tell you very little about the Alamo Yep. And what movies to watch. Shoot. Yeah.
Jam:So, yeah, that's what Wikipedia is for.
Melissa:Yeah. Exactly.
Jam:The Alamo.
Melissa:For the Alamo. Mhmm. Well, that was fun. So this is a good example of what our community episodes are like. They're just literally us hanging out talking about not chemistry.
Jam:Yep. And we did a little bit on the regular episodes, but this is the whole episode of that. So yep. Thanks for listening, guys.
Melissa:Yeah. Thanks for listening. I hope you're enjoying getting ramped up for the holiday season. Thanks for giving us a little space to, get ahead so that we can take a break and be with our families
Jam:Yep.
Melissa:In the in the next coming weeks. And yeah.
Jam:We hope you guys have a good holidays. Hang with friends, family, whatever you're gonna be doing. Hopefully
Melissa:It's good food.
Jam:Yeah. Hopefully, it is what you need. Some a little bit restful time, good time with people, and that's that's what it's all about.
Melissa:Yeah. And we'll be back next week with a regular episode.
Jam:That's right.
Melissa:Bye.
Jam:Bye.
